i had no choice but to fade...my family all being members is really hard just to stand up and give'm the finger. slowly many of them are questioning the org and their stand. some stuff on tv and news paper stuff is creating alot of doubt. Even my own grandmother is wondering where who new kingdom is? she keeps saying that she was told she would never die and has been waiting. i have been shunned since its clear to my family i will not return. i posted several times my dad and mom now refuse to attend. They in turn are being shunned also by my family and sister...if you have noticed my apostate preaching is being done to shore up the org from the major losses they are feeling these last few years..
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Dubs who shun those not DFed/DAed who fade
by gumby inlately i have been reading alot about those who cease the dub life, and though they are not officially dfed or daed, are treated as though they are by dub family and friends.
when i was a dub , i remember viewing those who did not come to meeting's anymore nor field service......as simply "weak" or inactive.
never do i remember shunning or snubbing those who seemed to fade away.
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Who would go to *your* funeral?
by Country Girl infor those of you that are disfellowshipped, disassociated, a fader, or formerly non-baptized publishers.. if you had your funeral in a church, would your jw friends or relatives come to it?
i was telling him the other day that i want to have my funeral service in my church, and that my jw relatives would *not* come to it.
he could hardly believe that.. country girl
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its true...non would come if it were in a church...they would come after where ever the food is being served at someones home...my cousin was herion addict and lesbian and they showed up for her memorial and gave talks..she hated the jw's but they preached to her gay friends and gave talks during the memorial.. they made it a joke for the rest of us...these people hated my family, hated the org, and hated her dad but they came anyway only to be preached at. her death meant nothing to the family it was another way to grandstand on how good the org is...sad but true....
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the east meets the west. the west will win! bible truth? islam? tolerance? defeat from within? what?
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WTS as an example of impermanence
by Markfromcali infor those who are familiar with buddhism like siddha and others.. there was a post about fading of the 1914 doctrine or something, and it occurred to me: doctrines and teachings fade, members fade.. the wts is a great example of impermanence!
and in the long run, how long can they last anyway?
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how long did purtitism last in 1790? how long did catholic torture last in america and europe, 1875? how long did the 70's moonies and other modern weirdo religions last? the jw's will be gone in 100 years also! Why? so many will die for the lie of armageddon. so many will die for paradise. so many will regret seeing bodies of their loved ones lying on the streets, so many will sicken when they see mom and dad dieing in their beds from sickness. the prayer of destruction to mankind will take on new meaning and regret of neglecting what they could have fixed will be the judgement jehovah will see but they failed to do what christ had asked......the mole
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Congregation sizes - Real reason from C.O. testimonial
by DaCheech inlast night my mother has confided in me that her best's friends brother was a circuit overseer.. she told my mom that the society instructs all c.o.
to keep congregation sizes small for the.
pure reason that: if so everybody can be closely watched, monitored, and known!.
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during my days growing up, during my family time and at the time of my exit it has always been around 150 max then the hall would split...this is too keep the feeling of family and close unity...which in turn make observation of attendence and participation very evident, especially to elders. Promotions of any kind is always attendence, service and participation..During my days of m.s i kept service hours records...the mole
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On the fading of 1914 ............
by TheOldHippie inforgetful as i am, i just forgot the title of the new brochure issued at this summer's conventions, but it is something like "keep on the watch", and it deals with the imminent return of christ, the signs of our times, and the need for being on the watch, being prepared for the "any day now" return.. the signs of our times are mentioned, but not earthquakes, so they are "out" again, it seems.
but, the first pages make out the basis for the belief in our days being the last ones, the final ones, and 607 is mentioned, 539 and 537 - but not 1914, not the "seven times" or "2520 years".. do you remember 1995, when the "generation change" came?
in summer, the "knowledge" book was issued, and it also dealt with the signs etc., but for the first time, there was no mention of the then "present truth" that some alive in 1914 would still be alive and witness the return.
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..hey neo......a friend at the time named rick hammersly did two years at bethel then worked at the farm for 6 months..he didnt qualify for some reason to do pioneer work abroad..but when he came back and this was in 2001..as we sat and watched a raiders game and drinking some beer he blurted out that a few young ones wanted to partake...he laughed because the brothers there called them young but they were all in their 30's....those who wanted too were not discouraged and had private meetings with the brothers...my friend said everything was real tight lipped around there about the subject but he said many of those in new york was assigned their own halls right after that....
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On the fading of 1914 ............
by TheOldHippie inforgetful as i am, i just forgot the title of the new brochure issued at this summer's conventions, but it is something like "keep on the watch", and it deals with the imminent return of christ, the signs of our times, and the need for being on the watch, being prepared for the "any day now" return.. the signs of our times are mentioned, but not earthquakes, so they are "out" again, it seems.
but, the first pages make out the basis for the belief in our days being the last ones, the final ones, and 607 is mentioned, 539 and 537 - but not 1914, not the "seven times" or "2520 years".. do you remember 1995, when the "generation change" came?
in summer, the "knowledge" book was issued, and it also dealt with the signs etc., but for the first time, there was no mention of the then "present truth" that some alive in 1914 would still be alive and witness the return.
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neo that was good info....my grandmother who is in her early 80's said just a few weeks back that she thought she would see the new kingdom by now and she kept saying i hope jehovah will remember me...as franz said in his book and currently what going on the org has no choice to make these changes..the k.m keeps suggesting to remain faithfull in the preaching work with no reference to any dates now like it use to too in the early 90's..the anointed is fading away and my old friend coming back from bethel have said that some young ones were being incouraged to partake of the meal...just before i step down as m.s it was told to us in our last meeting with the elders that there are so few of the anointed that the spirtual food and caring of the sheep that the burden will fall on those with the earthly hope...that was in 2002...